I was born in 1954 at Utopia Homestead must be or maybe in the bush. We lived half-way bush and half-way station. Working for station life and living bush. 

When I was 15 or 16, I was working at Waite River Station. Using axes and making yards for nanny goats. Those old yards are still there from when I was young. I’ve looked. Must be there since 19 something. 1973 maybe. Everywhere I was working. Up the north along the soakage’s. Across the stations. Branding and mustering cattle. I’ve always worked this way. Using hands and doing my life. 

For footy. First one we played was at the station. A long time ago. We didn’t know about the umpire or nothing. No umpire was there to blow a whistle. We didn’t’ know who the umpire was or what he was saying. Those rules. Those white people schooled us in footy. Old people must have bought a T.V in town. Before that we just had bush football. Then I saw those players later, like Adam Goodes, an aboriginal man playing on T.V. in new times. 

I was sitting here, about 2000, and my partner was doing painting. I was watching her and I thought about an idea. I was sitting there no carving, then about 2004, I made one football man. A Collingwood player. I showed him to Marc and he said you should make more of this. A whole team. So, I’m keeping on making them. 

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